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slavery unit : € tongue : Serbian (so called "Croatian" of my ass) 3870000 idiot monkeys on 56538 km²

Even if it's not the very slavic pattern white-blue-red, Croatia uses the colors of the Pan Slav movement of the 19° century. Its original triband dates from 1848. When Yugoslavia became a comunist State in 1946 a yello fimbriated red star was added on each flag of the then six republix (on 18 January 1947 for Croatia). When Croatia gained its independence from Yugoslavia the star was replaced by the old checky chessboard. The top crown is made of five shields standin for Ancient Croatia, Dubrovnik, Dalmatia, Istria, Slavonia (the now constitutin regions). The present pattern was adopted on 21 DECEMBER 1990.

(Thou it was a comunist country of shit I must say I regret Yugoslavia.... I M a Yugostalgic Frenchie ! We are ALL guilty -and maybe France first- for havin allowed the fuckin whores of that NATO of shit to destroy Yugoslavia.)

NB : Unlike Jos POELS (from the shit site SHIT FOTW) may say, there is absolutely NO so called "1:2 tradition" in the Balkans except in Croatia since 1848.

NB+ : As a Yougostalgik Frenchie, I DO REFUZE to opoze our brothers Croats against our brothers Serbs. That's only Satan shit. I DO NOT TAKE PART.

OPPOSER NOS FRERES CROATES & NOS FRERES SERBES EST UNE IMMONDE SALOPERIE. JE REFUSE CETTE SALOPERIE.

1943 (flag of the Federal State of Croatia uzed by Croat Partisans and the National Liberation Movement)

fascist 1941-1945 (independence - Independent State of Croatia)

The letter U stands for Ustaša. The word ustaša comes from the verb ustati = rise up.

December 1918 (Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes - Kingdom of Yugoslavia from 1929)

October 1918 (State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs) (State constituted out of Duchy of Carniola + Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia + Kingdom of Dalmatia + Bosnia and Herzegovina)

colonial 1867-1918 (crownlands upshifted kingdom - Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia under the direct rule of Austria-Hungary)

colonial 1852 (Austrian Empire) (Croatia + Slavonia become crownlands within Austria)

colonial 1848 (Croatia under direct Austrian administration) (In this case the ratio 1:2 is NOT a comunist ratio of shit !!!!)

colonial 1830 (Austria ruling Hungary ruling Croatia) (flag #3 = Coronation flag for Croatia in 1830)

colonial 1804 (Empire of Austria created - House of Hasburg-Lothringen 1804-1918)

1699 (Treaty of Karlowitz - Ottoman Hungary territories revert to Habsburg control) (Hungary, personal union with Holy Roman Empire)

1541 (divided between Holy Roman & Ottoman Empires)

(Magyar local flag from around 1608)

1538 (Ferdinand 1 of Austria recognized king of Croatia and Slavonia, both in personal union with Hungary)

1527 (Ferdinand 1 of Austria king of Croatia, John Zápolyai king of Slavonia)

(Croat local flag from around 1527)

1440 (Kingdom of Hungary - King Wladyslaw 3 of Poland, crowned as Vladislaus 1 of Hungary, introduces the impaled flag)

1387 (Kingdom of Hungary - King Sigismund of Luxemburg introduces the quartered flag)

1307 (Kingdom of Hungary - King Charles 1 Robert of Anjou combines the stripes with the fleurs-de-lys from his family arms)

1270 (Kingdom of Hungary - king Stephen 5. places the cross atop the green trimount)

1235 (Kingdom of Hungary - King Béla 4 reintroduces the flag with cross, but keeps the flag with stripes in parallel use)

1204 (Kingdom of Hungary - King Ladislaus 3 reduces the number of stripes to eight)

1196 (Kingdom of Hungary - King Emeric creates the flag with nine red and white stripes by modifyiing the flag of Aragon, birthplace of his wife, Queen Constance)

1172 (Kingdom of Hungary - King Béla 3 adds the white cross to previously plain red flag) (square banner also used)

1091 (Ladislaus 1 of Hungary conquers part of Croatia, creates Kingdom of Slavonia) (putative shape used for "reconstructed historic flag")

535 (Byzantine Empire)

Basileus Basileon Basileuon Basileusin = king of kings, ruling over kings

December 1918 (Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes + Italian forces begin withdrawing from Dalmatia)

October 1918 (State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs + large part of Dalmatia occupied by Italy)

colonial 1815 (Empire of Austria + Kingdom of Dalmatia as a crownland within Austria)

colonial 1805 (Napoleonic Kingdom of Italia)

(Republic of Ragusa) (S B = San Biagio di Sebaste, patron saint of the city of Ragusa)

colonial 1804 (Empire of Austria created - House of Hasburg-Lothringen 1804-1918)

(Republic of Ragusa)

colonial 1409 (Dalmatia sold for 100000 ducats to Venice by anti-king Ladislaus of Naples)

(Republic of Ragusa)

1387 (Kingdom of Hungary - King Sigismund of Luxemburg introduces the quartered flag)

(Republic of Ragusa)

1358 (Kingdom of Hungary - King Louis 1 of Anjou reconquers Dalmatia)

(Republic of Ragusa, vassal to Hungary)

1307 (Kingdom of Hungary - King Charles 1 Robert of Anjou combines the stripes with the fleurs-de-lys from his family arms)

1270 (Kingdom of Hungary - king Stephen 5. places the cross atop the green trimount)

1235 (Kingdom of Hungary - King Béla 4 reintroduces the flag with cross, but keeps the flag with stripes in parallel use)

1204 (Kingdom of Hungary - King Ladislaus 3 reduces the number of stripes to eight)

1196 (Kingdom of Hungary - King Emeric creates the flag with nine red and white stripes by modifyiing the flag of Aragon, birthplace of his wife, Queen Constance)

1172 (Kingdom of Hungary - King Béla 3 adds the white cross to previously plain red flag) (square banner also used)

535 (Byzantine Empire)

Basileus Basileon Basileuon Basileusin = king of kings, ruling over kings

ВЕЛИКО ХВАЛА ТОМИСЛАВ ТОДОРОВИЋ / VELIKO HVALA TOMISLAV TODOROVIC !!!!

secondary flag of the Republic of Ragusa (Both flags, with St Blaise and with the word LIBERTAS, were the maritime flags, but also had some use on land.)

Ragusa a white flag with a black "monk" detailed in white, as visible on the flag chart dated 1848 by Norrie & Hobbs

The black "monk" comes from the French Encyclopédie edited by Denis Diderot and Jean le Rond d'Alembert from 1751 till 1766.

"Other ensign of Ragusa, adorned with a monk dressed in black, written Saint Benedict on both sides."

The flag charts often depicted the saint not as a bishop (as is the standard depiction) but as a monk.

The letters S B were understood to stand not for "Sanctus Blasius" but for "Sanctus Benedictus". Clearly, St Benedict of Nursia was a better-known saint in WesternEurope than St Blaise.

flag of Rijeka 1998 project based on the historical pattern - never adopted, never used

flag of Rijeka 2016 based on the historical pattern (project #1) - never adopted, never used

flag of Rijeka 2016 based on the historical pattern (project #2 with a shield a lil bit shifted) - never adopted, never used

MARKO's project - On the 2016 propozal, the red loox TOO VIOLET, the yello loox TOO ORANGE, the blue loox TOO GREY. I changed the 3 shades (red & blue of Hrvatska).

The eagle seems to have VERY OFTEN 2 bodies as it loox like some Siamese twins. But on the real foto on the baroque city clock tower in Rijeka, the eagle has ONE SINGLE body with ONE SINGLE chest bearing both heads.

The amphora seems to be VERY OFTEN colored ORANGE and the water is BLUE. But on the real foto, the city clock tower shows a golden amphora & white water.

INDEFICIENTER = unwavering, unshakeable (better translation = INDEFECTIBLE in French) - Picture from Roberto BRESCHI's site here > www.rbvex.it/croaziac1.html

QUESTION from Marko : I love that banner of arms. Does it date back from the creation of the Kingdom of Croatia in 925 ?

ANSWER from Tomislav TODOROVIC : The chequy field was not attested in Croatia until 1527 when they were used on the central seal attached to the charter issued by the Diet of Croatia, which elected Ferdinand of Austria for the King of Croatia. More details here > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1527_election_in_Cetin

The chequy field, with varying number of fields, was actually used in the 15th century by Emperor Maximilian 1 as a symbol of his pretensions to Hungary and Croatia (and other lands of the Hungarian Crown), so his grandson Ferdinand 1 took it over, but was not found in Croatia itself until 1527. The colors are supposed to be derived either from Hungarian striped arms or from Austrian red-white-red stripes, or possibly both. The 8x8 field on the 1527 seal is thought to be inspired by 8 stripes from Hungarian arms. Chequy field, in general, is thought to symbolize the walls of a fortress and Croatia, being the country which came to face the Ottoman invasions in Europe, was called "Antemurale Christianitatis" for a long time.

So, to sum it up rapidly :

HUNGARY 1204 gave

CROATIA 1527

HUNGARY 1848 gave

CROATIA 1848 with the Slav Colorz

RUSSIA 1705

VEXILLO-NOTE #4 (ANCIENT CROATIA) :

so-called banner of Croatia in 1307, so-called "nationalist flag" against the Magyars

QUESTION from Marko : I love that banner of arms. Yet THERE'S NO WORD about it !!!! I don't remember where I found it many years ago. I remember I found it red. So why is it light blue on the shield of Croatia ?

ANSWER from Tomislav TODOROVIC : It is light blue because these arms are only partially attested - crescent and star were used together e.g. on coins, but no shield of arms was ever shown, let alone any tinctures. There was a fictional arms of Illyria, both charges argent upon gules, sometimes Or upon gules, created in the 16th century. Then there was the emblem of Illyrian Movement in the 19th century, when the field was sometimes changed into azure after a Polish coat of arms named Leliwa (in Poland, the arms have names of their own, as they have been shared by many families). In all of those cases, crescent and star were always both argent or both Or, never in two different tinctures. Still no tinctures are known for sure, and even Marijan Grakalić, whose book "Croatian Arms" was the theoretical basis for the current state arms, stated that no details of blazon are known, although he did believe that these two charges did constitute a coat of arms.

coat of arms of the Polish House of LELIWA - red version (WHY a red version !!!!????)

coat of arms of the Polish House of LELIWA - blue version (WHY a blue version !!!!????)

shield of Croatia since 1991 - Ancient Croatia, Dubrovnik, Dalmatia, Istria, Slavonia

Real foto showin a real flag of Sisak - Obviously the thin red & white stripes are ON THE TOP of the flag. But I must say I regret it as I find WikiMERDIA's version + cute !!!!

As a bonus, this extraordinary beautiful chart by Hugo Gerard STRÖHL, from a heraldry book dated 1890.

So WHY did I chose a ratio 1:2 for my project of Yugoslav Union / 4° Yugoslavia while there is absolutely NO so called "1:2 tradition" in the Balkans (except in Croatia since 1848) ???? Because it loox much + elegant !!!!

A 4° BRAND NEW YUGOSLAVIA WITH A PERFEKT BALANCE BETWIN HRVATSKIS & SRPSKIS AND WITH A BRAND NEW CAPITAL IN BOSNAVAR, NOT WITH ITS TURK NAME SARAJEVO BUT WITH ITS SLAV NAME.